these numbers help that narrative at least a little, maybe put it on pause a bit, put the pressure on joe biden coming out next week to turn things around for the president. >> you answered my next question. the other question, is this psychological? this -- you know, the unemployment rate going down? or is it, i don't know, does it really make that much of a difference? psychological or more of considered just a milestone? >> it's definitely psychological. it's also a good job report. it's a good sign that the country is beginning to heal. as i said, these numbers can go up and down. so one month does not make -- >> they could revise it? >> the administration said -- the administration was very clear in saying this was a good report but they were being cautious, they want to continue the progress. so they weren't pulling out the confetti on friday. >> yeah, as you know, the two previous jobs reports were revised. that's what helped this job report. so it could be revised for the next jobs report. so who knows. all right, thank you, rachel. great conversation. >> thank you. >>> up next --